tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190274.post111439519832353925..comments2023-10-15T08:19:02.024-04:00Comments on Garvey's Ghost: Black Talk: sondjatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06770540934297277676noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190274.post-1114433365017432302005-04-25T08:49:00.000-04:002005-04-25T08:49:00.000-04:00This is not off topic at all. My understanding is ...This is not off topic at all. My understanding is that the Kurds have also used the Red Black And Green as their national identity. I fly t he RBG on my vehicle and was questioned by a Kurd about it. I'm not going to say that Garvey was not influenced by Noble Drew Ali or others, but from the liturature that I have read, the only other proposed "Black flag" was one based on Christian color schemes. Garvey was also influenced by a popular song that claimed that every people had a flag except the coon. ALso Garvey made the mistake of siding with the Jew on the Palestine issue. He is often quoted as saying "... Paletsine for the Jew and Africa for the Africans." Thus I would be wary of Arab influence on Garvey in regards to the Flag colors.sondjatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06770540934297277676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190274.post-1114401219042684072005-04-24T23:53:00.000-04:002005-04-24T23:53:00.000-04:00This is off topic and I am loathe to move the spot...This is off topic and I am loathe to move the spotlight from the outrage of using RGB symbolism in the film (which I have not yet seen)<BR/><BR/>But I was looking at a sheet that contained many Arab flags: Yemen, Palestine, Lebanon and others and Red Black and Green were prominently displayed.<BR/><BR/>Looking on the net, it seems that Red, White, Black and Green are the somewhat official official Arab colors.<BR/><BR/>Maybe a coincidence that Garvey chose Red Black and Green but given the influence of Noble Drew Ali and other Islamic and quasi-Islamic thinkers on Black identity movements especially in the Northeast for about a generation or so before Garvey's UNIA began its explosive growth based in New York, I wonder if there is a connection.<BR/><BR/>If there is a connection, I wonder what to make of it?<BR/><BR/>I mean, it is better to read what Garvey wrote than to try to infer things based on nothing at all really. Garvey's focus was certainly on African people whom he described as Negros per the convention of his era and place.<BR/><BR/>But it is just something that I wondered about and thought I'd put here.<BR/><BR/>Fard Muhammand and Elijah (later) advanced the thesis that Arabs and Africans are one people, the Original Black Nation. But that thinking clearly reaches back to teaching present around Garvey's time.<BR/><BR/>If that thinking influenced Garvey at all, it would be really interesting to know.<BR/><BR/>But about the movie, a decision to wardrobe genocidal killers in Red Black and Green is truly a pure outrage. Not only Garvey, but Nkrumah and so many others would roll over in their graves at that idea.<BR/><BR/>As you write, genocide as self-hate and the acceptance of a foreign racial hierarchy from the previous colonial rulers is also something to examine seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com