tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190274.post2573611565222551516..comments2023-10-15T08:19:02.024-04:00Comments on Garvey's Ghost: Black Talk: The Alien Nature of Islam in Africasondjatahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06770540934297277676noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190274.post-46713682967760148812007-10-05T21:42:00.000-04:002007-10-05T21:42:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190274.post-17062588198741450502007-06-05T11:52:00.000-04:002007-06-05T11:52:00.000-04:00Actually a question which I don't think I've ever ...Actually a question which I don't think I've ever asked you... do you think Christianity is a European religion?Abdul-Halim V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03811018180731403335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190274.post-13515668505721033372007-06-05T11:51:00.000-04:002007-06-05T11:51:00.000-04:00First I do say that I really do view our conversat...First I do say that I really do view our conversations as a positive thing which I've enjoyed and learned from.<BR/><BR/>That said, to some degree, I think you are trying to have you cake and eat it too. If the Abrahamic religions ultimately come from the Kemetic mystery system then that automatically limits the extent to which you can say Judaism, Christianity and Islam are foreign to Africa.<BR/><BR/>And in our earlier discussions I've definitely already brought how many of the early Muslims (within Muhammad's lifetime) were from Ethiopia and the Muslims received assylum from the Ethiopian Negus.<BR/>Al-Jahiz, a famous Black Iraqi Muslim from the middle ages even argued that Muhammad (Saaws) himself was of Black African descent. In any case, the Arabian Peninsula at the time definitely shared the same cultural/political world as Black Africa nearby.<BR/><BR/>And then if you want to take about specific institutions later on... the Shadhili tariqa mentioned in the original articlar is a Sufi order founded in Africa by an African Muslim "holy man". And Uthman Dan Fodio was a Black Fulani Muslim and "holy man". And the Tijani you mention later were also a Sufi order, founded in Africa by an African.<BR/><BR/>So to sum up, we could say that:<BR/><BR/>1. According to your own statements, the Abrahamic religions have a Kemetic origin. Personally, I tend to view this differently but I'm definitely open to seeing deep similarities between Abrahamic religions and Kemetic beliefs.<BR/><BR/>2. There are indications that even in its founding, Islam has some deep connections to Black Africa.<BR/><BR/>and<BR/><BR/>3. As Islam spread in Africa, it formed genuinely African religious and political institutions and they didn't just follow foreign Arab models, but in time charismatic African spiritual leaders arose. One big example would be Amadou Bamba, who was an spiritual leader of great importance and subject of a certain amount of devotion, especially to Senegalese Muslims.<BR/><BR/>So I would still say that (for example) a Black African who is in a Sufi order founded by Africans (e.g. Tijaniyyah, Shadhili, Mouridism) or developed by Africans (e.g. Qadri) which is part of a civilization (Islam) with deep connections to Africa at its founding, which (according to you) is ultimately based in Kemetic beliefs anyway... can't really be called alien to Africa.Abdul-Halim V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03811018180731403335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190274.post-449598481149357182007-06-05T11:50:00.000-04:002007-06-05T11:50:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Abdul-Halim V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03811018180731403335noreply@blogger.com